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« Reply #420 on: August 12, 2014, 08:18:32 pm »
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Hi Lauren,

I just posted this on the Lit board, but it also applies to English too. Do you think now is too early to begin re reading texts that I want to study for both the English and the Lit exam? For Lit, I'm planning to write on Capote's In Cold Blood and Kennedy's Dark Roots and for English I think I'll use Stasiland for text response (but its tricky to know because we have only just started The Reluctant Fundamentalist).

Both In Cold Blood and Stasiland are pretty big texts too. Thoughts on starting these re reads now?

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« Reply #421 on: August 12, 2014, 08:49:35 pm »
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Hey Lauren I know this isn't really related to English specifically, however I've been needing an answer to this question for ages.
Are literature and English writing Styles different? I mean I know how to practice my writing for English- which is generally through practice essays of text response, context and language analysis, however I have no idea how to practice for lit!
Yes, Lit and English require a pretty different skillset in order to score well, though there is a little bit of overlap. One of the biggest differences is, as you've noted, English can be divided into T.R. Context and L.A. whereas most of what you've done in Lit. up until now won't be assessed again. The Close Analysis / Passage Analysis / Close Reading is all you'll be doing on the exam, so that should definitely be your priority when it comes to practice pieces. The work you've done in Alternate V&V or Adaptations and Transformations SACs will help assist in your overall understanding, but you won't actually be asked to focus on those things.
The simplest way I can put this is: English is usually about ideas, Lit is always about language.
Obviously the Language Analysis component of English is concerned with (surprise) language, but even this links into the broader idea of how we're being persuaded. In an English T.R. you're expected to deal with the ideas of the text, making reference to the language and devices, but in Lit, you centre on these features and look at how they create meaning, as opposed to what the meaning might be.
Hope that wasn't too rambly for you :)

What is the "Goal" of text response essays?
Answer the prompt.
Sounds simple, doesn't it?
I could expand upon this for ages but what it comes down to is your ability to draw meaning from the text and apply it to a discussion of VCAA's choosing. I've posted before on the general (unofficial) criteria categories - these aren't prescribed or anything, this is just my own list, but if you're fulfilling these requirements then you're fulfilling VCAA's by proxy, these are just better worded imho :)
- Relevance: to the prompt and to the text. Fairly simple, but this is often where students lose marks either for focusing on the wrong implications of a prompt or misinterpret it entirely. Classic example: there was a text in 2012 about overcoming adversity and got the prompt: 'How does >text< show that trauma can bring about unexpected qualities in people' or something along those lines. The Assessor's Report noted how many essays dealt with the general qualities, but not the unexpected qualities. I wasn't joking when I said your task is to answer the prompt- but it's a tougher challenge than many expect it to be.
-Ideas: you're assessed on both depth and breadth. Fairly straightforward.
-Writing: vocab, spelling, and grammar/expression. Both these last categories can influence your mark considerably if you're doing something wrong, but relevance is the biggest determiner of the three.

Let me know if you have any more specific questions and hopefully I'll be able to clarify.

Hi Lauren,

I just posted this on the Lit board, but it also applies to English too. Do you think now is too early to begin re reading texts that I want to study for both the English and the Lit exam? For Lit, I'm planning to write on Capote's In Cold Blood and Kennedy's Dark Roots and for English I think I'll use Stasiland for text response (but its tricky to know because we have only just started The Reluctant Fundamentalist).

Both In Cold Blood and Stasiland are pretty big texts too. Thoughts on starting these re reads now?
For Lit: reread now. Reread constantly. It doesn't always have to be a cover-to-cover, experience, but you should definitely familiarise yourself with some major passages or interesting annotation-dense sections. Hopefully you've grasped things plot-wise so full read-throughs will become less-and-less necessary as the year goes on. This doesn't have to be too intensive either, just going through your notes or a brief excerpt before bed/over breakfast/whenever you learn best can be sufficient.
For English: Stasiland and TRF probably warrant a reread or two, but it depends where you're at. Going through a pure text version probably won't help much unless your memory is a sieve and you've forgotten who the characters are, but going through an annotated version (or some chronological notes if you have them) might be useful.
I suppose it depends why you're rereading. If you feel it'll assist in your understanding of the text, then go for it. For me, reading was always a nice break from 'real study' ie. sitting through methods practice papers, so I'd look forward to going over notes on the bus or when my internet connection was down :P
Like most of my advice on here, it all comes down to doing whatever works for you.

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Re: 50 in English, available for queries :)
« Reply #422 on: August 12, 2014, 08:55:31 pm »
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So basically you have your contention on the prompt and support with 3 body paragraphs? It has always seemed like some sort of abstract idea to me.
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« Reply #423 on: August 12, 2014, 08:57:07 pm »
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HEY Lauren! I thought I'd ask my question now rather than later since I only found out today LOL..

BUT.. I just found out that we do oral presentations one-to-one rather than in a classroom setting with others in it and for some reason that makes me feel weird since I'm more of a person who speaks in front of crowds rather than to just one person (then it feels like a conversation) since I tend to be interactive in my speeches I guess...

Do you have any tips on doing an oral presentation in front of just one person as oppose to speaking in front of a classroom? Are there any techniques I could learn that I could implement later on for oral presentations?

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« Reply #424 on: August 12, 2014, 09:55:32 pm »
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So basically you have your contention on the prompt and support with 3 body paragraphs? It has always seemed like some sort of abstract idea to me.

At a very basic level, yes. But some students prefer to write 4 or 5 paragraphs, one of which can be a 'challenge' paragraph that looks at things from a different perspective. Most schools and teachers provide their own preferred formula that they'll give you for SACs that you can modify for your exam.

HEY Lauren! I thought I'd ask my question now rather than later since I only found out today LOL..

BUT.. I just found out that we do oral presentations one-to-one rather than in a classroom setting with others in it and for some reason that makes me feel weird since I'm more of a person who speaks in front of crowds rather than to just one person (then it feels like a conversation) since I tend to be interactive in my speeches I guess...

Do you have any tips on doing an oral presentation in front of just one person as oppose to speaking in front of a classroom? Are there any techniques I could learn that I could implement later on for oral presentations?

For the most part your content will be the same, though you will have to be careful with your interactive elements (referring to the audience as you, us etc. Maybe check with your assessor closer to the date as to what s/he prefers.)
The various Oral Presentation Guides on this board are pretty conclusive, so I'd recommend reading through those now, then again next year when you're in the process of writing and editing your speech.
Again, I'm sure your school will provide you with more information specific to their own criteria :)

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« Reply #425 on: August 12, 2014, 09:58:30 pm »
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Not it wasn't rambly at all, I understood it perfectly! Thankyou :)
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« Reply #426 on: August 12, 2014, 10:05:35 pm »
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That's wonderful thanks Lauren :D

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« Reply #427 on: August 14, 2014, 02:15:37 pm »
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Hello Lauren,

whats that word used when im trying to say that they died for a reason and yet no one has learnt from it? how would i describe their death?

for example someone died because of a certain action, and years later people have not learnt from that action and still practice it today... millions of people are still dying... how would i describe the deaths of that someone who died?

the death was... its not  ignored...not unjustified... its similiar in meaning.... im not sure...

we should be looking at the death as an example to prevent it from happening again....

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« Reply #428 on: August 14, 2014, 02:22:13 pm »
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Not sure if this is what you're looking for, but 'died in vain' would probably be the phrase I'd use.
Could also be: inconsequential, hollow, pointless (these are all a bit negative.)
Or if you're suggesting, for example, that the civil rights movement was pointless because racism still exists, so people like MLK died for nothing (which would be a pretty flimsy argument :P) you could say "their futile attempts to enact change" if you didn't want to deal with death specifically.
I'm sure your example makes way more sense than mine though :)

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« Reply #429 on: August 14, 2014, 02:28:36 pm »
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hello lauren, thank you
the example im trying to use is the hiroshima bombings this year is the 69th anniversary and im trying to write a title for a feature article i want to write about:

69 years later, Japan commemorates _____________ deaths

im trying to say like they died producing no result, no change... like people should be looking at their deaths as an example of the dangers of tech advancement.... no more nuclear weaponry!!! not sure how to describe thsoe death those... cause people are looking up to te deaths at all... i wouldn't use the word ignored though... and futile seems a bit too negative?

help!!!

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« Reply #430 on: August 14, 2014, 02:37:46 pm »
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do you happen to know any examples of history when conflict is needed people its the only way people can voice their ideas generally in a society that is oppressed (eg... i know most protests would come under this idea...)

and any examples where it will strength bonds b/w people.

I have taken a look at the context page you have! wonderful stuff! love it !

thanks in advance
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« Reply #431 on: August 14, 2014, 03:11:16 pm »
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allstar:
I probably wouldn't put such a bold statement in your title; leave it for the body paragraphs so you can explain yourself fully.
Perhaps expanding upon this and turning it into a (rhetorical?) question, eg. 'Japan commemorates Hiroshima deaths, but how far have we really come?'
Feature articles that take a look back at history can make for great links, but don't set it up as a very factual story. Editorials/opinion pieces tend to give you the best opportunity to deal with broader ideas, so whilst historical events can make a great backdrop, they're not the real focus of your piece.

If you're committed to this word then try plugging in some synonyms in a thesaurus. I've had a look but nothing jumps out at me, hopefully you'll know it when you see it.

Point of interest: the feeling of frustration you get when you can't think of a word to describe something is 'onomatomania.' The more you know.

tiff_tiff:
The Arab Spring uprising would be a good contemporary link --> in some sense you could argue this strengthened nationalistic pride, though as a challenge you could mention how it caused further divide in some countries (ie. it wasn't simply goodies vs. baddies, people rebelled in different ways, and often there were war crimes committed on both sides.)
Most protest movements have a similar, though less extreme effect, so just find something you're interested in, or something that fits your other examples :)

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« Reply #432 on: August 14, 2014, 08:38:54 pm »
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What academic articles on your text should you use? Would you recommend the State Library of Victoria? How do you amalgamate the historical context of a text and stylistic features in a text response to comment on the views and values of the author?

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« Reply #433 on: August 14, 2014, 10:34:50 pm »
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thank you

just another quick question:
whats a better way of phrasing this?
'.society will pay for the consequences'
'society will suffer the consequences' 

or

all hell break loose

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« Reply #434 on: August 15, 2014, 06:53:00 pm »
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In your opinion, what makes a text response essay impressive?
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