ATAR Notes: Forum
VCE Stuff => Victorian Education Discussion => Topic started by: iliketurtles on July 22, 2011, 07:47:31 pm
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Hey - just browsing some uni sites and I stumbled across this from Melbourne Uni.
"Access Melbourne selection guarantee
Students who are eligible for one or both or the following Access Melbourne categories – disadvantaged financial background and/or applicants from rural or isolated areas - who meet the course prerequisites and achieve the below ATAR (or notional ATAR) are guaranteed a CSP in the relevant degree in 2012:
78 or above — guarantees a place in Arts, Environments or Science
88 or above — guarantees a place in Commerce
92 or above – guarantees a place in Biomedicine"
and
Eligibility checklist
"If you fulfil all of the points below, we have a guaranteed Commonwealth supported place for you at Melbourne!
You will complete Year 12 in 2010.
You have applied for one or both of the following Access Melbourne categories and submitted any required documentation:
Category 5 (disadvantaged financial background); and/or
Category 6 (applicants from rural or isolated areas)
Your individual circumstances satisfy the Access Melbourne criteria for one or both of these categories.
You achieve the following ATAR or notional ATAR:
78 or above — guarantees a place in Arts, Environments or Science
88 or above — guarantees a place in Biomedicine or Commerce"
Just need some clarification. I'm planning on applying for SEAS (Special Entry Access Scheme) under the premise of "Disadvantaged financial background".
If my application is successful, does that mean I only need like...a ATAR of 90ish to get into Biomed??? :o
Their site says last years clearly in was 98.45 for normal entries.
So am I reading this right? Are they actually cutting like, 8 ATAR points off the entry?
Cheers.
Source:
http://www.futurestudents.unimelb.edu.au/admissions/entry-requirements/other-entry-options/access-melbourne/guaranteed-entry-access-melbourne-2011
and
http://www.futurestudents.unimelb.edu.au/admissions/entry-requirements/undergraduate-domestic
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Assuming your application is successful, you will need a 92 (or above). That's an absolute cutoff, there's no fringe for 91.95. The 88 figure is from last year, which has been adjusted upwards to 92 because ~50% of the 2011 intake was admitted under the guarantee and that drove the clearly in up (unfairly according to some).
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Just do science. It is better on so many levels.
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I am 100% sure somebody from my school got in with 91.50 via SEAS.
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I am 100% sure somebody from my school got in with 91.50 via SEAS.
That was last year!
They have raised the SEAS cutoff to 92.00+ for this year.
It is a piece of crap degree anyway...you will live regret not doing science.
The only positive in biomed is no plant stuff...everything else is better in science.
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Then why did you choose biomed ? Just curious.
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Then why did you choose biomed ? Just curious.
Because I am stupid.
Science is better on many levels including that:
-A science degree is better because biomed confines you to health sciences
-You can learn proper Physics/Chemistry in Science rather than the hack job subjects you are forced to take in biomed.
-Science has many lecture streams whereas in biomed, there is only one lecture stream for each subject. Ultimately this means you wind up with a shit timetable.
-You aren't forced to take maths in science. Maths is completely pointless for getting into med and a waste of time.
From second year onwards, Science and Biomed are pretty much the same so there is no point changing now, but first year Science > first year Biomed.
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First year in biomed is horrible. Second and third are brilliant, the core subjects are (in hindsight) absolutely fantastic and better than anything science has to offer in the health field. Whatever you do, don't judge it on the first year because it's sub-optimal (they're working on improving it though).
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Just a question about biomed, I've read that the core subjects fulfill the requirements for the MD and postgrad Dent but will I have enough subject slots to also choose subjects for post grad Optom?
Thanks in advance.
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First year in biomed is horrible. Second and third are brilliant, the core subjects are (in hindsight) absolutely fantastic and better than anything science has to offer in the health field. Whatever you do, don't judge it on the first year because it's sub-optimal (they're working on improving it though).
Yeah, fair enough. I'm glad I am not the only one who thinks first year is bad. But definitely gonna stick with it because it does look to get better next year.
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First year is a necessary evil. The science students who want to major in the health science field will be doing pretty much the same as you and they'll hate it as well.
Just a question about biomed, I've read that the core subjects fulfill the requirements for the MD and postgrad Dent but will I have enough subject slots to also choose subjects for post grad Optom?
Thanks in advance.
Don't quote me on this, but from what I can see of the DO website, you won't even need to take any specific subjects to qualify
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Rad - thanks for the info.
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Special consideration for financial disadvantages - Are you kidding me?
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Special consideration for financial disadvantages - Are you kidding me?
You wasted time coming on here to post that - Are you kidding me?
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Special consideration for financial disadvantages - Are you kidding me?
You wasted time coming on here to post that - Are you kidding me?
What I mean is
Inorder for him to send that message he would of had to sit in-front of a computer, a computer that has access to the internet. You do realise he is not disadvantaged in any way, I would only consider anything less than a computer unfavourable.
What they mean by financial disadvantage is: Kid abandoned by his parents, left with only cat food, has to fend for himself blah blah - yet some how is able to achieve an enter score of 92.
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Yeah, I guess you're right. Going to a shit school with no resources, poor teachers and students who distract and bring you down is no disadvantage at all.
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Yeah, I guess you're right. Going to a shit school with no resources, poor teachers and students who distract and bring you down is no disadvantage at all.
I go to a school with all of the above. Perhaps that is why I lack the linguistic flare to explain to you how uhm... ?retarded? this is?
Edit: I know people that are ACTUALLY severely disadvantaged, yet do not make a claim on it as though it is deserving of special consideration. It feels as though if there were to ever be someone deserving of a special consideration it would have already been ostracised as a result of all these well-off frauds.
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Yeah, I guess you're right. Going to a shit school with no resources, poor teachers and students who distract and bring you down is no disadvantage at all.
I go to a school with all of the above. Perhaps that is why I lack the linguistic flare to explain to you how uhm... ?retarded? this is?
Edit: I know people that are ACTUALLY severely disadvantaged, yet do not make a claim on it as though it is deserving of special consideration. It feels as though if there were to ever be someone deserving of a special consideration it would have already been ostracised as a result of all these well-off frauds.
Firstly, if the people you know are not willing to make claims for schemes which they are entitled to, then that is their problem.
Secondly, not just anyone can apply for these schemes. You generally need to be in receipt of a Centrelink benefit, which is determined by the government. Otherwise, you need to provide both an impact statement and a statement of support.
If you feel that strongly against these schemes then I suggest you write to VTAC, the university and Centrelink to make a complaint.
Don't criticise people for taking advantage of schemes which they are entitled to. I would also like to remind you that you are in no position to judge other peoples circumstances. For all you know their family may be facing large debts, bankruptcy or the primary income earner may have been made redundant.
Of course there are going to be the occasional few who exploit these schemes when they are not really entitled to them, but overall it is pretty harsh to argue that they should be removed as there are certainly people in the community who are deserving of special consideration.
You can read more about SEAS applications here:
http://www.vtac.edu.au/seas/categories.html
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Well I'd agree with the concept of the whole rural/disadvantaged financial situation SEAS scheme... but I wonder how exactly the cases are determined... etc.. for example I come from a non-english speaking background (don't speak english at home) and moved to Australia after 2002, but I'd consider myself none less capable than others. Or for example the fact that members of the Aboriginal community get a markedly advantaged entry into certain courses such as medicine..
This of course means other hopeful students miss out on their dream course/career..
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^ And in 2012 you'll be living in bed...so you should get some sort of consideration :P
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I think the SEAS program is supposed to help people who have had a disadvantage to their education. Financial disadvantage can definitely impact your education, but there are definitely plenty of people that don't have their education impacted (and in some cases aren't even disadvantaged) that manage to get through the loopholes in the program.
I can understand where you're coming from in the sense that it can be quite unfair, but the idea as a whole isn't completely ridiculous, I just think it needs to be tightened up.
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I have mixed feelings about SEAS. I strongly support the concept, and think that it's really important for students who have had their education disadvantaged, but discerning what causes disadvantage can be ambiguous. There are some amazing rural private schools, and whilst the students there might not have easy access to revision lectures and other activities, many have the financial support to commute to Melbourne to do so. On the other hand, there are some terrible rural schools - when my dad graduated from high school, only two students in his cohort of 40-50 got into any university course. I don't think that someone attending ******* grammar schoool should be placed on the same level as someone attending a state school in a tiny town.
However, on that note, I do support incentives for rural students and indigenous students to undertake health science courses, irrespective of their school. Many often go back to their hometowns to practice, and that's something that's needed.
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You discussed that you need to be either from a disadvantaged financial background, OR from a rural/isolated area
What if you suffered from a medical conditions/illness? Doesnt that qualify you for SEAS?
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Maths a waste of time???? WHAT?
lol jks of course it has nothing to do with med but oh well.
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You discussed that you need to be either from a disadvantaged financial background, OR from a rural/isolated area
What if you suffered from a medical conditions/illness? Doesnt that qualify you for SEAS?
It does, but not the entry guarantee of 92+
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Maths a waste of time???? WHAT?
That is unfortunately the stereotype amongst the lay people and fellow non-maths uni colleagues.
"Oh! You're a maths & stats major! Planning to become a teacher, eh?"
"Screw you. You clearly have no idea the power we have..."
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Maths a waste of time???? WHAT?
That is unfortunately the stereotype amongst the lay people and fellow non-maths uni colleagues.
"Oh! You're a maths & stats major! Planning to become a teacher, eh?"
"Screw you. You clearly have no idea the power we have..."
Clearly we are on our way to making gundams for future world-ruling.
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Maths a waste of time???? WHAT?
That is unfortunately the stereotype amongst the lay people and fellow non-maths uni colleagues.
"Oh! You're a maths & stats major! Planning to become a teacher, eh?"
"Screw you. You clearly have no idea the power we have..."
Clearly we are on our way to making gundams for future world-ruling.
I was thinking along the lines of world domination and making mathematicians world leaders and create a united Earth government, send the prisoners off to outer space to ease overcrowding, then let them meet and deal with an alien and menacing race called Zerg and an advanced race of aliens called Protoss and see how they adapt.
But I guess that might be too far-fetched. I guess gundams will just have to suffice....
For now...
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Did you see MVP vs Leenock game 2?? :D If you watch GSL that is..
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Yeah I agree that there is some people in real need of SEAS. However there are some ignorant fools who thinks that applying for SEAS means that they are cheating the system when they do not even understand the person's situation. A person has a right to apply for SEAS if they are legitimately entitled to regardless of how smart they are.
I have a couple of friends who are pretty much guaranteed 99+ applying for SEAS.