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Views, Values and Context SAC structure help?
« on: April 23, 2015, 08:40:19 pm »
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Our SAC is next week, and our focus thus far for this SAC is T.S. Eliot and his poetry.
My question is, what will be the best way to structure this piece? My practice pieces sound more like Close Analysis pieces and I'm not getting the clearest direction from my teacher as to which structure is most acceptable for this SAC.

Also, what would be the best way to prepare for this SAC with regards to poetry? I've gone through "The Hollow Men" quite a bit and just pulled out key views and values which I could use to also contrast with his other poetry. Any other tips?
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Re: Views, Values and Context SAC structure help?
« Reply #1 on: April 25, 2015, 01:02:13 pm »
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Hi :)
Really this sort of depends on the way your teacher wants you to respond to it: for example have you been given a specific question or a really general, does she want the essay to just be a general exposition of values or to leech from Eliot's biography or something, do you even have a question or are you analysing views and values from an excerpt of the text...because the study design doesn't really lay out these things you've kind of got to rely on your teacher's prompt/criterion and lay out your own work from there...

IF THE QUESTION IS GENERAL:
may be set it out thematically according to three key ideas; e.g. if i had to do one on rossetti's poetry i'd probably go:
GENERAL CONTENTION = In Rossetti's work there is a central conflict between romanticism and traditional religious poetical methodologies
PARA ONE = poetry is a reflection of social/aesthetic/theological problems of era
PARA TWO = poetry is innately romantic, the language and symbolism utilised examine Romantic epistemology and mankind’s relationship with the natural world
PARA THREE = while her poetry is innately secular its informed by romantic models, very Tractarian in ideology

this is generally the way the majority of my class did it, the questions we could choose from were both general and specific so they sorta went the general way out. v + v no matter how you end up writing it, is probably the englishiest essay you'll have to write.

SPECIFIC METHOD:
i went the opposite way out and i found a specific question and lasered in to make it more specific. i had a specific question on Jane's development (from Jane Eyre) throughout the text and how the text is concerned with identity and belonging...i talked about the way
- the progressive nature of jane's selfhood is linked to the regression of bertha mason ---> how she finds her identity
- bronte's use of racialised metaphor to symbolise english colonial domination in the relationship between rochester and jane -----> belonging in relationship with rochester
- and the use of colonial imagery Jane attributes to those who obstruct her autonomy  -----> identity as an independent woman
the ideas are kind of dense/packed together so it's hard to split 'em into topic sentences to show you, but what i did is i took a fragment of the question and applied it really specifically and i talked about views and values in every single paragraph. it's a much harder route to take, but you will gain a far more nuanced textual understanding.

hope this is useful to you! you didn't really specify much on what your sac is going to be like so i had to be as general as possible! goodluck!


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Re: Views, Values and Context SAC structure help?
« Reply #2 on: April 25, 2015, 01:22:08 pm »
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Hi :)
Really this sort of depends on the way your teacher wants you to respond to it: for example have you been given a specific question or a really general, does she want the essay to just be a general exposition of values or to leech from Eliot's biography or something, do you even have a question or are you analysing views and values from an excerpt of the text...because the study design doesn't really lay out these things you've kind of got to rely on your teacher's prompt/criterion and lay out your own work from there...

IF THE QUESTION IS GENERAL:
may be set it out thematically according to three key ideas; e.g. if i had to do one on rossetti's poetry i'd probably go:
GENERAL CONTENTION = In Rossetti's work there is a central conflict between romanticism and traditional religious poetical methodologies
PARA ONE = poetry is a reflection of social/aesthetic/theological problems of era
PARA TWO = poetry is innately romantic, the language and symbolism utilised examine Romantic epistemology and mankind’s relationship with the natural world
PARA THREE = while her poetry is innately secular its informed by romantic models, very Tractarian in ideology

this is generally the way the majority of my class did it, the questions we could choose from were both general and specific so they sorta went the general way out. v + v no matter how you end up writing it, is probably the englishiest essay you'll have to write.

SPECIFIC METHOD:
i went the opposite way out and i found a specific question and lasered in to make it more specific. i had a specific question on Jane's development (from Jane Eyre) throughout the text and how the text is concerned with identity and belonging...i talked about the way
- the progressive nature of jane's selfhood is linked to the regression of bertha mason ---> how she finds her identity
- bronte's use of racialised metaphor to symbolise english colonial domination in the relationship between rochester and jane -----> belonging in relationship with rochester
- and the use of colonial imagery Jane attributes to those who obstruct her autonomy  -----> identity as an independent woman
the ideas are kind of dense/packed together so it's hard to split 'em into topic sentences to show you, but what i did is i took a fragment of the question and applied it really specifically and i talked about views and values in every single paragraph. it's a much harder route to take, but you will gain a far more nuanced textual understanding.

hope this is useful to you! you didn't really specify much on what your sac is going to be like so i had to be as general as possible! goodluck!
Oh wow, thank you makes a lot more sense.
Well my teacher hasn't told us how they layout of the SAC will be, but I'm assuming it's going to be a general exploration of the views and values within T.S. Eliot's poetry. Thank you once again!
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Re: Views, Values and Context SAC structure help?
« Reply #3 on: April 26, 2015, 12:46:23 pm »
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Hi :)
Really this sort of depends on the way your teacher wants you to respond to it: for example have you been given a specific question or a really general, does she want the essay to just be a general exposition of values or to leech from Eliot's biography or something, do you even have a question or are you analysing views and values from an excerpt of the text...because the study design doesn't really lay out these things you've kind of got to rely on your teacher's prompt/criterion and lay out your own work from there...

IF THE QUESTION IS GENERAL:
may be set it out thematically according to three key ideas; e.g. if i had to do one on rossetti's poetry i'd probably go:
GENERAL CONTENTION = In Rossetti's work there is a central conflict between romanticism and traditional religious poetical methodologies
PARA ONE = poetry is a reflection of social/aesthetic/theological problems of era
PARA TWO = poetry is innately romantic, the language and symbolism utilised examine Romantic epistemology and mankind’s relationship with the natural world
PARA THREE = while her poetry is innately secular its informed by romantic models, very Tractarian in ideology

this is generally the way the majority of my class did it, the questions we could choose from were both general and specific so they sorta went the general way out. v + v no matter how you end up writing it, is probably the englishiest essay you'll have to write.

SPECIFIC METHOD:
i went the opposite way out and i found a specific question and lasered in to make it more specific. i had a specific question on Jane's development (from Jane Eyre) throughout the text and how the text is concerned with identity and belonging...i talked about the way
- the progressive nature of jane's selfhood is linked to the regression of bertha mason ---> how she finds her identity
- bronte's use of racialised metaphor to symbolise english colonial domination in the relationship between rochester and jane -----> belonging in relationship with rochester
- and the use of colonial imagery Jane attributes to those who obstruct her autonomy  -----> identity as an independent woman
the ideas are kind of dense/packed together so it's hard to split 'em into topic sentences to show you, but what i did is i took a fragment of the question and applied it really specifically and i talked about views and values in every single paragraph. it's a much harder route to take, but you will gain a far more nuanced textual understanding.

hope this is useful to you! you didn't really specify much on what your sac is going to be like so i had to be as general as possible! goodluck!

Hey! Alright, sorry to hijack this, but my SAC is tomorrow for V+V, and any help right now is much appreciated.

My teacher has sent us all an email saying that the question on the SAC will be - "Use one or more of the passages selected as the basis for a discussion of Love in a Time of Cholera."

We are also being provided three passages to use as a basis - so sort of like a hybrid of Passage Analysis and V+V.

My current plan is as follows:

Contention - Marquez's work is a criticism of life itself and the way in which goes unfulfilled without love, and presents the morbid aspects of life to be damaging, yet inevitable.
Paragraph 1 - The novel presents love as fulfilling yet damaging - a point which he makes through the contrast between Urbino's love and Florentino's love.
Paragraph 2 - Discussion of societal values of the era, and how they're expressed in the novel. Making sure to refer to the division between the social classes.
Paragraph 3 - Presentation of old age as a loss of a "state of grace", and how Marquez does not romanticize aging and death.

It's alright if you haven't read the text, but can you see any issues with what I'm planning?
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« Reply #4 on: April 26, 2015, 03:00:01 pm »
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Hey! Alright, sorry to hijack this, but my SAC is tomorrow for V+V, and any help right now is much appreciated.

My teacher has sent us all an email saying that the question on the SAC will be - "Use one or more of the passages selected as the basis for a discussion of Love in a Time of Cholera."

We are also being provided three passages to use as a basis - so sort of like a hybrid of Passage Analysis and V+V.

My current plan is as follows:

Contention - Marquez's work is a criticism of life itself and the way in which goes unfulfilled without love, and presents the morbid aspects of life to be damaging, yet inevitable.
Paragraph 1 - The novel presents love as fulfilling yet damaging - a point which he makes through the contrast between Urbino's love and Florentino's love.
Paragraph 2 - Discussion of societal values of the era, and how they're expressed in the novel. Making sure to refer to the division between the social classes.
Paragraph 3 - Presentation of old age as a loss of a "state of grace", and how Marquez does not romanticize aging and death.

It's alright if you haven't read the text, but can you see any issues with what I'm planning?


Hi! Do you mean that your teacher has already given you the passages? or that you will get a random selection of the three passages on your sac date? if it is the latter i would strongly urge you to ensure that your writing is based on the three passages you'll receive on  your SAC date, because then your essay will just be general and not dealing with the views and values imbued in the passage.

if you already have the three passages and the plan you have is based on the three passages then it sounds ok, but since i haven't read the text i can't give you any definitive feedback. One thing i do notice is that you've sort of gone in your plan "Marquez's values ----->social values------>Marquez's values" but you haven't really outlined a connection between the social values and Marquez's values. Ignore this if y'know this is a dimension of the text which i don't really understand, but your second paragraph doesn't really have much of a connection to your contention or your first and third paragraphs. good luck tomorrow! hope it all goes well for you and that this feedback was useful! :)

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« Reply #5 on: April 26, 2015, 03:50:22 pm »
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Hi! Do you mean that your teacher has already given you the passages? or that you will get a random selection of the three passages on your sac date? if it is the latter i would strongly urge you to ensure that your writing is based on the three passages you'll receive on  your SAC date, because then your essay will just be general and not dealing with the views and values imbued in the passage.

if you already have the three passages and the plan you have is based on the three passages then it sounds ok, but since i haven't read the text i can't give you any definitive feedback. One thing i do notice is that you've sort of gone in your plan "Marquez's values ----->social values------>Marquez's values" but you haven't really outlined a connection between the social values and Marquez's values. Ignore this if y'know this is a dimension of the text which i don't really understand, but your second paragraph doesn't really have much of a connection to your contention or your first and third paragraphs. good luck tomorrow! hope it all goes well for you and that this feedback was useful! :)

Passages are being selected and given on the day. But alright, I shall make sure to deal with the issues presented in the passage, and not just general themes and ideas.

Also, yeah, you're right. The second paragraph is basically present because I felt like I need to discuss social values, and couldn't find another way to do it. But I can just incorporate it to other ideas linked to the contention to make it seem less disjointed.

Anyway, thanks for the help! I'm trying to recover my grade from SAC 1, which was a 72% (C+ at my school). I was hoping to get a 40 in this subject, but all I can hope now is to recover enough to pull a 35... maybe.
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Re: Views, Values and Context SAC structure help?
« Reply #6 on: April 26, 2015, 03:56:05 pm »
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Guys what goes into an expository essay? I have no idea what I need to write about in terms of structure!? Sacs this week and my teacher just wont help.. Any help ??

Also what are some good real-life examples of identity and belonging?
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Re: Views, Values and Context SAC structure help?
« Reply #7 on: April 26, 2015, 04:05:10 pm »
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Guys what goes into an expository essay? I have no idea what I need to write about in terms of structure!? Sacs this week and my teacher just wont help.. Any help ??

Also what are some good real-life examples of identity and belonging?

Identity and Belonging... English, I presume?

Alright, I'll do my best to help:

Expository essays are, well, essays. Don't throw out what you know about essay structure just because it has the word "expository" as a prefix. Your intro still needs signposts and a contention, and your body paragraphs can still use TEEL.

Now in terms of what goes into it - well, anything from factual evidence, historical accounts to personal anecdotes. As long as you stay relevant to your prompt.

These are just a few tips. I would consult your teacher for further info. If they wont help, find another teacher who will. It's worth it.
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Re: Views, Values and Context SAC structure help?
« Reply #8 on: April 29, 2015, 08:50:39 pm »
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For this outcome my lit teacher hasn't really given us a prompt to respond to..
Our outcome sheet just states 'comment on the issues, ideas and contexts Micheal Ondaatje explores in his novel 'The Cat's Table'...'

How should I go about structuring this? I'm feeling a bit stuck.
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